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Study: Israelis and U.S. Jews no longer seen as one nation
By Amiram Barkat, Haaretz Correspondent

Two recent studies challenge the customary perception that Jews living in Israel and the United States, which make up 80 percent of the world's Jewry  belong to the same nation.

One study indicates that Israel occupies a marginal place in the younger generation's Jewish identity. The other finds that Israeli pupils' knowledge of American Jewry is negligible.

Both studies were conducted by the American Jewish Committee (AJC).

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The study on Israeli pupils was conducted by the Levinsky College of Education among 150 history and civics teachers.

Only 13 percent of them said that the subject of U.S. Jewry had been studied at their school "at least once." More than 60 percent said the subject had not been studied at all and 25 percent could not answer the question.

Rabbi Edward Rettig of AJC, who coordinated the study, said he was not surprised by the findings, which indicate to his mind "educational failure and slipping down the slope of mutual alienation."

Rettig said senior Education Ministry officials had tried to sabotage the study and forbade the researchers' direct access to teachers. The Knesset's Education Committee chair, Rabbi Michael Melchior, initiated the debate held in the Knesset on Wednesday on the studies' findings. He said Israeli education ministers' promises to expand Jewish studies were mere lip service and that all the study programs on this subject
had been ignored.

Education Minister Yuli Tamir promised recently to increase Jewish studies and said it would "contribute significantly to mold the pupils' Jewish identity." But in Wednesday's Knesset debate it transpired that the Education Ministry was not acting to implement new Jewish studies programs, although they had been prepared long ago. The implementation of
a new history study program has recently been postponed by a year, and a civics program is pending the minister's decision whether to expand civics studies from one to two units. An additional ninth grade program
on Diaspora Jews has been taught for the past two years as a mere pilot.

The study held in the U.S. summed the findings of all the studies conducted among 1.5 million American Jews in their twenties and thirties. They all concluded that Israel was not a central component in the young
people's Jewish identity. For example, in a study conducted in 2000, Israel was placed 11th out of 15 identity components presented to the interviewees.

All the studies found that the younger the interviewees, the less sympathy they felt for Israel. The sense of belonging to the Jewish nation also fell with age. For example, a study from 2001 found that less than 30 percent of the young people felt they belonged to "the
Jewish nation" compared to 42 percent of the 65 year olds and older people.

Melchior, the only MK to sit throughout the Knesset debate on Wednesday, asked high school pupils who were there by chance whether they could name any Jewish American figure. Nobody could. The pupils said they had
studied the subject of American Jewry between the world wars in history classes, but said the lessons were not interesting and the material was not included in the matriculation exams.

One pupil, Tamar Moshe, said the program could have been much more interesting and relevant had it included meetings with Jewish Americans of her age group.

Dr. Rafi Sheniak, who founded the Jewish Studies center in Levinsky College, said the debate did not deal with fundamental issues in the
relations between Israel and the Diaspora, such as "are the Jews still one nation."

Sheniak said that in the U.S. Judaism was becoming a "normal" religion, while in Israel Jews were becoming a "normal nation."

American Jewish attitudes to Israel and Hebrew are like those of American Catholics to the Vatican and Latin, he said. In Israel, however, Jewish identity becomes defined as Hebrew language and culture.

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  1.   US view of Israel 00:53  |  Nathaniel 26/10/06
  2.   This is a joke 01:13  |  Paul Freedman 26/10/06
  3.   Good Job Muslims!!! 01:30  |  dave 26/10/06
  4.   #1, Nathaniel 01:42  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 26/10/06
  5.   it`s 100% true 02:44  |  Gus 26/10/06
  6.   Our Fault? 03:28  |  Yoram 26/10/06
  7.   To Dave in NYC 03:30  |  David James Vickery 26/10/06
  8.   jews 03:43  |  muslim 26/10/06
  9.   #3 03:49  |  Joe 26/10/06
  10.   What Role the Tribe? 04:40  |  Fred Goepfert 26/10/06
  11.   and the same thing is happening inside Israel too! 04:42  |  Avi 26/10/06
  12.   muslim 04:43  |  alan 26/10/06
  13.   It is The Torah That Makes Us A Nation 04:56  |  Ben 26/10/06
  14.   Israel 05:07  |  jmundstuk 26/10/06
  15.   ##* convering to islam 05:10  |  kurian kuriappa 26/10/06
  16.   All Haaretz Postings without reason blame 05:15  |  Don 26/10/06
  17.   To Mr. Vickery, who lives in hatred 05:35  |  DavidAK 26/10/06
  18.   It takes a (Village) Pogrom... 06:32  |  diamond 26/10/06
  19.   You must support birthright 06:41  |  gabriel 26/10/06
  20.   Zionism was a means to an end... 06:59  |  Aaron 26/10/06
  21.   Friedman NUMBER 2 07:04  |  Gabriel 26/10/06
  22.   Way to go Reform and Conservative Rabbis 07:05  |  Steve 26/10/06
  23.   Yuli Tamir and the Jewish problem 07:08  |  Aharon Rosenbaum 26/10/06
  24.   Jewish Nation 07:38  |  George 26/10/06
  25.   Study: Israelis and U.S. Jews no longer seen as one nation 08:09  |  RW 26/10/06
  26.   #14 jmundstuck 08:11  |  Rope-a-dope 26/10/06
  27.   why is this a problem? 08:15  |  The Truth 26/10/06
  28.   Are we surprised? 08:21  |  Dee Dubb 26/10/06
  29.   jmundstuk 08:30  |  abu even 26/10/06
  30.   Hold on 08:36  |  sh 26/10/06
  31.   For Dave in New York City and his jokes 09:43  |  Clickfool 26/10/06
  32.   To Dave 09:44  |  Georges 26/10/06
  33.   No mr. Rosenbaum #23 09:53  |  Itsik 26/10/06
  34.   # 4 10:14  |  Vitaliy 26/10/06
  35.   to all religious people who are blaming the secular for this 10:29  |  Vitaliy 26/10/06
  36.   Sanctimonious tosh Cipora Julianna Kohn 10:31  |  sh 26/10/06
  37.   Judaism 10:37  |  Choni 26/10/06
  38.   Jews no longer one nation 11:04  |  Jim 26/10/06
  39.   Education, education, education 11:12  |  Shalom Freedman 26/10/06
  40.   Zionism and Katsav 11:17  |  asa 26/10/06
  41.   Scientifically, there is no jewish nation 11:26  |  Ronnie 26/10/06
  42.   Itsik, #33 11:41  |  Aharon Rosenbaum 26/10/06
  43.   Joe and his clinical assessment of the problem 11:44  |  Skandar 26/10/06
  44.   Choni, Judaism and G-d`s website address 12:04  |  Skandar 26/10/06
  45.   To DavidAK 12:07  |  David James Vickery 26/10/06
  46.   It is not surprising. 12:14  |  Joel A. Levitt 26/10/06
  47.   I`m an oleh and I never thought they were one nation 12:19  |  David Teich 26/10/06
  48.   45: Vickery`s usual fantasies 12:23  |  David Teich 26/10/06
  49.   41: Ronnie`s ignorant in science and politics 12:28  |  David Teich 26/10/06
  50.   American Jews 12:30  |  Avi Yerushalmi 26/10/06
  51.   45 David Teich 12:44  |  Skandar 26/10/06
  52.   Question for Cipora Julianna Kohn # 4 13:06  |  Clickfool 26/10/06
  53.   kurian kuriappa #15 13:17  |  blue70 26/10/06
  54.   To Aaron, #42 13:20  |  Itsik 26/10/06
  55.   nation 13:33  |  habakook 26/10/06
  56.   Study not a shock 14:00  |  Paul Henzen 26/10/06
  57.   #41 Ronnie 14:00  |  laksi 26/10/06
  58.   The People Israeli IS one. 14:08  |  Ronnie Wolman 26/10/06
  59.   #27 14:11  |  woodlawn 26/10/06
  60.   ClickFOOL finally you got it! #50 14:25  |  Jonathan S 26/10/06
  61.   American Jews 14:32  |  Avi Yerushalmi 26/10/06
  62.   # 8 If Converting to Islam is ...... 14:43  |  Passerby 26/10/06
  63.   To Itzik#54 14:57  |  Aharon Rosenbaum 26/10/06
  64.   Avi Yerushalmi #61 15:04  |  blue70 26/10/06
  65.   teenage American Jews 15:16  |  Alana 26/10/06
  66.   #34 Vitaliy 15:26  |  Itsik 26/10/06
  67.   passerby 15:32  |  Skandar 26/10/06
  68.   #4 CJ Kohn 15:50  |  Jimmy 26/10/06
  69.   actually...#58 15:51  |  Itsik 26/10/06
  70.   #58 Ronnie Wolman 15:54  |  Boycott 26/10/06
  71.   On the Positive Side 16:18  |  Yaakov Noach 26/10/06
  72.   Boycott: The Two Jerusalems 16:37  |  Ronnie Wolman 26/10/06
  73.   The problem is in the US 16:39  |  Tosefta 26/10/06
  74.   A convert to Judaism 16:49  |  Netanel 26/10/06
  75.   Re: 22 Way to go.. 16:52  |  Suzie 26/10/06
  76.   Miss Kohen and Her Idelaism #1 17:05  |  Yaakov Sullivan 26/10/06
  77.   Ronnie 17:15  |  Danite 26/10/06
  78.   Not suprising 17:19  |  Danite 26/10/06
  79.   Ignorance can be explained 17:23  |  Lion 26/10/06
  80.   Boycott#70 17:24  |  Danite 26/10/06
  81.   Blue 70 #64 17:25  |  avi Yerushalmi 26/10/06
  82.   72 - Well said 17:27  |  Bruriah Sarah 26/10/06
  83.   To #15 - Kurian Kuriappa 17:33  |  Johnny 26/10/06
  84.   #72 Ronnie Wolman 18:15  |  Boycott 26/10/06
  85.   Ronnie Wolman, cheesecake& Maxwell House coffie, 18:19  |  Akiva Patysh,(hadag) 26/10/06
  86.   Gus 18:20  |  Sarah 26/10/06
  87.   #74, 80 Netanel, Danite, Ronnie Wolman 18:35  |  Boycott 26/10/06
  88.   Boycott: You are bringing out the Rabbi in me 18:41  |  Ronnie Wolman 26/10/06
  89.   To the Editor (and anyone else) was this published in Hebrew!? 18:54  |  Zohar 26/10/06
  90.   skandar in London 19:07  |  Joe 26/10/06
  91.   51: Poor Skandar, truth just evades him 19:21  |  David Teich 26/10/06
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  93.   "and most of all "...Ronnie Wolman 19:30  |  Akiva Patysh,(hadag) 26/10/06
  94.   # 67 Skander 19:32  |  Passerby 26/10/06
  95.   The Chosen People 19:34  |  Nathan 26/10/06
  96.   Nathan, #95 19:49  |  Andy 26/10/06
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  98.   95: Hezbollah hides behind Civilians 20:03  |  Bruriah Sarah 26/10/06
  99.   #96 Andy 20:06  |  Jimmy 26/10/06
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  104.   #36, sh 20:28  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 26/10/06
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  106.   alana#65 20:33  |  Billy jack 26/10/06
  107.   #99 Jimmy 20:33  |  Andy 26/10/06
  108.   95 - Hezbollah used Cluster Bombs 20:33  |  Bruriah Sarah 26/10/06
  109.   To Andy 20:35  |  Nathan 26/10/06
  110.   #76, Sullivan 20:42  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 26/10/06
  111.   The problem is in the US? - Tosefta 20:45  |  sh 26/10/06
  112.   Margie, #97 and skandar in London 20:49  |  Joe 26/10/06
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  115.   Boycot 21:15  |  Danite 26/10/06
  116.   Joe from San Diego: The terror expert 21:17  |  Ibrahim 26/10/06
  117.   nathan 21:19  |  Danite 26/10/06
  118.   Isrelis and USJews 21:33  |  Salty 26/10/06
  119.   Salaam Ya Ibrahim 21:36  |  Danite 26/10/06
  120.   Jewish identity 21:37  |  Hunter 26/10/06
  121.   "Yaakov" 21:42  |  Danite 26/10/06
  122.   Onre Nation?? Nope 21:48  |  NY Jewish Dude 26/10/06
  123.   `Yaakov` Sullivan`s arrogance 21:49  |  Jake 26/10/06
  124.   The problem in the US (Sh no. 111) 21:51  |  Tosefta 26/10/06
  125.   116: Settlements are not Illegal 21:52  |  Bruriah Sarah 26/10/06
  126.   118 - Orthodox Jewry Growing 22:01  |  Bruriah Sarah 26/10/06
  127.   JOEL LEVITT.That some Hebron Moslems defied the pogrom is not- 22:08  |  PETER SM 26/10/06
  128.   "Jake" on "Arrogance" #123 22:08  |  Yaakov Sullivan 26/10/06
  129.   A QUESTION for C.FOOL. Re How far?(3rd attempt) 22:19  |  PETER SM 26/10/06
  130.   #21--we agree 22:22  |  Paul Freedman 26/10/06
  131.   #114, Sullivan 22:32  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 26/10/06
  132.   And who did this author ask? 22:34  |  Ron 26/10/06
  133.   Ronnie Wolman, Danite, Netanel 22:57  |  Boycott 26/10/06
  134.   65. Alana 23:10  |  Karen 26/10/06
  135.   American values very different 23:26  |  Pssd Off American 26/10/06
  136.   Israel Has Become and Embarrasment - Don 00:22  |  Morris Freedman 27/10/06
  137.   Israel Has Become a Pariah - I`m An American And Nothing More 00:42  |  Morris Freedman 27/10/06
  138.   #125 - The Settlements Most Certainly Are Illegal 00:48  |  Mr. Knowitall 27/10/06
  139.   # 75, To Suzie 01:01  |  Steve 27/10/06
  140.   I`m An American 01:23  |  Brian Wilder 27/10/06
  141.   Oh please 01:29  |  Morrocan Jew 27/10/06
  142.   Sadly, Another Factor 01:43  |  Scrolls 27/10/06
  143.   To DAve #3 01:55  |  Joe 27/10/06
  144.   #114 Jews from Algeria 01:55  |  lionel 27/10/06
  145.   Cipora Kohn 01:56  |  j 27/10/06
  146.   #114, regarding Adolphe Cremieux 02:06  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 27/10/06
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  148.   Largely agree with Vitaliy (35) 02:36  |  sk 27/10/06
  149.   Sorry, Choni (37) 02:41  |  sk 27/10/06
  150.   #145, j 02:53  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 27/10/06
  151.   to the Jews, with respect 03:08  |  John and the TRUTH 27/10/06
  152.   to n 27 03:17  |  John and the truth 27/10/06
  153.   ##* convering to islam 03:54  |  Greggles 27/10/06
  154.   Idol worship 03:55  |  The Other Alan 27/10/06
  155.   jmundstuk 03:59  |  sweis Melbourne 27/10/06
  156.   poor deluded 155 04:38  |  John and the truth 27/10/06
  157.   Morris Friedman 04:46  |  sweis Melbourne 27/10/06
  158.   ALL those who claim no affinity or hostlity.Why are you writing? 04:50  |  PETER SM 27/10/06
  159.   pssed off american 04:54  |  sweis Melbourne 27/10/06
  160.   pssed off american 05:11  |  sweis Melbourne 27/10/06
  161.   American Jews 05:24  |  Johnf 27/10/06
  162.   Algerian Jews were Berbers#114 05:36  |  sal 27/10/06
  163.   am ha aretz 157 05:42  |  john and the truth 27/10/06
  164.   One Nation? It never was 05:46  |  Judy Abeles Eliasov 27/10/06
  165.   Israelis & U.S. Jews 05:51  |  M. G. Fried 27/10/06
  166.   #144 Jews from Algeria 05:53  |  sal 27/10/06
  167.   dear aussie 157 06:11  |  John and the truth 27/10/06
  168.   Why should they ? They are americans like rest of us 08:04  |  omolll 27/10/06
  169.   The problem in the US, Tosefta #124 08:09  |  sh 27/10/06
  170.   Are Jews one people? 08:12  |  Avi Yerushalmi 27/10/06
  171.   I don`t see myself "One nation" with American Jews 09:09  |  AA 27/10/06
  172.   American Jews 09:21  |  tbora 27/10/06
  173.   American Jews - johnf #161 09:29  |  tbora 27/10/06
  174.   Are Jews in Israel and "Israelis" one nation? 09:49  |  Yaakov K. 27/10/06
  175.   Joe, seek clinical help 10:49  |  Skandar 27/10/06
  176.   David Teich, your sympathy is touching 11:07  |  Skandar 27/10/06
  177.   My Two Cents 12:27  |  Abba 27/10/06
  178.   Israelis and Jews are not interchangable 12:31  |  Abba 27/10/06
  179.   How alse.... 13:59  |  Cavler Crociatus 27/10/06
  180.   Ezekiel said only you God knows.Bringing back to life. 15:11  |  simon 27/10/06
  181.   thank you omoll 16:46  |  ross 27/10/06
  182.   Jewish Nation 23:16  |  Ralph 27/10/06
  183.   Israeli or Jew 11:42  |  Jack Davis 28/10/06
  184.   176: Skandar, don`t worry, my pity`s mixed with amusement 20:07  |  David Teich 28/10/06
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