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UN chief: Debate on Shaba Farms ownership is premature
By Barak Ravid, Haaretz Correspondent and News Agencies

United Nations Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon said Wednesday that the discussion of ownership of the disputed Shaba Farms area on the Lebanese border is premature.

The UN chief spoke in London, following a meeting with British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, in response to a Haaretz report earlier Wednesday saying the UN had asked Israel to hand the land over to UN peacekeepers in Lebanon.

UN officials later denied the report, saying "the UN has not asked the government of Israel to hand over the Shaba Farms to the UN."
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"The UN's cartographer continues his work and will be visiting the area shortly. The secretary-general remains engaged on the issue," a UN official said.

Ban later told journalists in London "I have submitted my report on this issue. My senior cartographer has made good progress but this report is not mentioning anything about ownership or sovereignty yet."

Jerusalem also denied the report.

According to the Haaretz report, printed on Wednesday, the United Nations transmitted messages to Israel in recent weeks that the organization's mapping experts have determined that the Shaba Farms on Mount Dov, now controlled by Israel, is Lebanese territory.

The report said that the UN, which has communicated to Israel that the disposition of the Shaba Farms should be dealt with as soon as possible, has proposed to senior government officials that Israel withdraw from the area and that it be considered international territory to be controlled by UNIFIL.

Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni and Prime Minister Ehud Olmert oppose the idea, Haaretz said. The size of, and sovereignty over, the Shaba Farms has been a matter of controversy due to the way the border between Syria and Lebanon was marked during the French Mandate between the two world wars.

When the UN marked the border between Israel and Lebanon after Israel's withdrawal in May 2000, the Shaba Farms were said to be part of Syrian territory, and that Israel therefore did not need to withdraw from it in the absence of an agreement with the Syrians.

Lebanon did not accept the line of demarcation, and has since claimed that the Shaba Farms are in its territory. Hezbollah took advantage of the controversy to justify attacks on Israeli forces in the area.

Government officials in Jerusalem said the UN cartographer handling the matter in recent months has determined that the area is indeed Lebanese, said the report.

Haaretz also wrote that the officials added that Syria and Lebanon also agree that the area is Lebanese. Therefore, the UN has said there is no reason for Israel not to relinquish control over the area.

Government officials are treating the matter with kid gloves out of concern that a public statement by the UN could lead to renewed conflict in the North.

Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon apparently transmitted the UN's conclusions in the meeting between himself and Olmert in New York last month, part of which was private. Another message is said to have come through the UN's special coordinator for the Middle East, Michael Williams, in a meeting with Livni a few weeks ago.

France and the United States are also ratcheting up their pressure on Israel, in the belief that a withdrawal from the Shaba Farms will strengthen the government of Lebanese Prime Minister Fuad Siniora. U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, who will be coming to the region next week, pressed Olmert during the Second Lebanon War to withdraw from Shaba to bolster Siniora. Olmert refused, saying the move would be viewed by Hezbollah as a victory.

Israel and the UN discussed Shaba ahead of the release two weeks ago of the periodic report on the implementation of Resolution 1701. The UN wanted to include a clause stating that Shaba was Lebanese and urging a solution. This would have been a departure from 1701, which states that the fate of the farms is to be resolved in the determination of the border between Lebanon and Syria.

On Livni's instructions, senior Foreign Ministry officials pressured UN officials to remove the clause.
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  1.   More Borderline For Hezbollah Attacks? 03:36  |  Dyinglikeflies 11/07/07
  2.   the wheels of fortune turns against Israel yet again 03:46  |  Jonathan 11/07/07
  3.   MAKE A DEAL 03:47  |  Brant 11/07/07
  4.   Great News 03:47  |  Slibovitz 11/07/07
  5.   What took them so long 03:52  |  Abe 11/07/07
  6.   Resistence 04:01  |  ali 11/07/07
  7.   Uh oh! Does this mean. . . ? 04:02  |  Mark Lincoln 11/07/07
  8.   Israel Must Leave Shaba Farms ASAP 04:07  |  Mr. Knowitall 11/07/07
  9.   All right, can anyone explain 04:12  |  Richard 11/07/07
  10.   first Syrian, now Lebanese...they dont even know! 04:13  |  Ryan 11/07/07
  11.   wrong its a fix. no way give in to this fix. what next all border 04:18  |  ralph 11/07/07
  12.   israel getting weaker 04:29  |  David King 11/07/07
  13.   UN at it again 04:37  |  TWogunz 11/07/07
  14.   Israel need a state of war to exist 04:37  |  cc 11/07/07
  15.   My recomendation to MarkLincoln is to leave ASAP 04:39  |  Sal 11/07/07
  16.   A Jew started this 04:43  |  Dude 11/07/07
  17.   It is Israeli territory plain and simple 04:45  |  Bill 11/07/07
  18.   #3 Bad idea 04:46  |  Donna 11/07/07
  19.   Later they will discover that it is Syrian territory 04:47  |  Bill 11/07/07
  20.   Well Mark at least got it half right 04:51  |  Jacob Blues 11/07/07
  21.   Why, has Syria been misbehaving lately? 04:52  |  Jake 11/07/07
  22.   international territory to be controlled by UNIFIL 04:53  |  vik 11/07/07
  23.   To Mr. Knownothing, #8 04:54  |  Jake 11/07/07
  24.   Mark Lincoln and playing nice 04:55  |  Jacob Blues 11/07/07
  25.   shaba farms 04:55  |  luke 11/07/07
  26.   Mr. Know it none 04:57  |  Jacob Blues 11/07/07
  27.   Gee David, the UN ruling against Israel, there`s a new trend 04:59  |  Jacob Blues 11/07/07
  28.   Not really CC, the radicals are the norm when it comes to bashing 05:01  |  Jacob Blues 11/07/07
  29.   UN has *no* credibility in this matter 05:03  |  Raymond from DC 11/07/07
  30.   Land for Peace 05:04  |  Ken 11/07/07
  31.   Mark Lincoln, no. Hizbullah attacked Israel in uncontested zones 05:06  |  Jake 11/07/07
  32.   The Syrians just do not want Israel to have the land 05:11  |  Steven 11/07/07
  33.   Hizbullah didn`t even attack Shebaa farms in 2006 05:13  |  Jake 11/07/07
  34.   The UN Admits weapons are smuggled from Syria into S Lebanon 05:17  |  Mike 11/07/07
  35.   Am I the only one who sees it this way? 05:19  |  Che 11/07/07
  36.   The Problem With Leaving the Farms Is ... 05:19  |  Bernie 11/07/07
  37.   Jacob Blues, Why do you call the Soldiers Civilians? 05:24  |  Bernie 11/07/07
  38.   Raymond from DC raises a key point 05:25  |  Jacob Blues 11/07/07
  39.   Jacob That Is Lebanon`s Position 05:27  |  Bernie 11/07/07
  40.   Ken You Don`t UnderStand 05:32  |  Bernie 11/07/07
  41.   #14 CC 05:33  |  Jon 11/07/07
  42.   Jerusalem next 05:35  |  cc 11/07/07
  43.   PRESSURE ISRAEL GO AHEAD NO SUCH ISRAEL RIGHT ??? 05:41  |  M. Segal 11/07/07
  44.   So ends Israels brief love affair with Ban Ki Moon 05:45  |  Natallie Durson 11/07/07
  45.   THEY REALISED IT SINCE BARAK IS DEFMIN.HE IS WILLING TO GIVE MORE 05:46  |  VOICE of MOSHIACH))) 11/07/07
  46.   UN to Israel 05:52  |  Edifice 11/07/07
  47.   Israel Will have only one choice 05:54  |  dale 11/07/07
  48.   What about the previous UN investigation into the matter 05:54  |  RA 11/07/07
  49.   Solving the real Problem 05:54  |  Atoo 11/07/07
  50.   If Syria and Lebanon agree... 05:55  |  Peter 11/07/07
  51.   Absentee landowners 05:59  |  DJStahl 11/07/07
  52.   Well it sure ain`t Israeli. 06:00  |  Reader 11/07/07
  53.   The writing is on the wall 06:06  |  wibism 11/07/07
  54.   It`s not Israel`sw 06:09  |  wibism 11/07/07
  55.   Syria must first renouce its claim 06:14  |  Robert 11/07/07
  56.   The U N can not be trusted 06:22  |  Kyle 11/07/07
  57.   #54 You are so wrong 06:42  |  Adrian de Klerk 11/07/07
  58.   No need to discuss as soldiers not yet released 06:47  |  bernard ross 11/07/07
  59.   Dangor 07:11  |  UN is to blame 11/07/07
  60.   answer is no no no. the fix is in nothing to do with markers so n 07:12  |  ralph 11/07/07
  61.   Israel should not back down and give Shaba back to either country 07:13  |  Shepherd 11/07/07
  62.   #5 What took them so long? 07:16  |  Johnboy 11/07/07
  63.   Shaba NOW! Good riddance! 07:21  |  Esther 11/07/07
  64.   Jacob Blues - nice, as in a nation 07:25  |  Mark Lincoln 11/07/07
  65.   response to MIKE # 34 07:25  |  Shepherd 11/07/07
  66.   #7 Mark Lincoln 07:27  |  Johnboy 11/07/07
  67.   It`s not Israeli land, so get out 07:28  |  Esther 11/07/07
  68.   GIVE BACK ISREALI SOLDIERS ....... DISARM 07:30  |  JON FEIGENBAUM 11/07/07
  69.   how long... 07:35  |  ravi 11/07/07
  70.   Shabaa Farrns 07:37  |  Angie 11/07/07
  71.   Oh no , Bernie, I don`t think so. 07:37  |  Jake 11/07/07
  72.   #13 TWogunz thinks ISRAEL gets to decide! 07:47  |  Johnboy 11/07/07
  73.   wibism, on the contrary, the Israel is behind the BLUE line 07:48  |  Jake 11/07/07
  74.   Revisionist history 07:53  |  Gili 11/07/07
  75.   Atoo, what Arabs would allow Israel to keep?? 07:57  |  Jake 11/07/07
  76.   Borders of Israel 07:58  |  Yohan Dahal 11/07/07
  77.   They promised to controll the border but let Islamist Hisbula in 07:58  |  PETER SM 11/07/07
  78.   I called this last year 08:01  |  Pablo B 11/07/07
  79.   Natallie Dursson, don`t count your chickens, baby 08:04  |  Jake 11/07/07
  80.   Just say no to UN`s b.s. 08:04  |  Fortuna Benmayor 11/07/07
  81.   UN - All Bark and no Bite 08:07  |  Tzfonit 11/07/07
  82.   #29 Raymond, talking nonsense about UN "credibility" 08:09  |  Johnboy 11/07/07
  83.   #55 Robert - Syria doesn`t have any choice 08:10  |  Pablo B 11/07/07
  84.   #42 cc,JERUSALEM IS JEWISH ISRAELI TERRITORY 08:12  |  Hastaroth 11/07/07
  85.   UN is by, for, and controlled by Moslems 08:18  |  J 11/07/07
  86.   UNIFIL CONTROL - they can`t do the job 08:19  |  * BEN JABO 11/07/07
  87.   Civilians or soldiers Bernie, kidnapping is kidnapping 08:22  |  Jacob Blues 11/07/07
  88.   THE BIG LIE CONTINUES!!!!! 08:23  |  Ben Uziel 11/07/07
  89.   Keep dreaming Bernie, and while you`re at it, I have a bridge 08:24  |  Jacob Blues 11/07/07
  90.   #50 Very good Peter - the first sensible post! 08:24  |  Johnboy 11/07/07
  91.   UN mapping "experts" 08:28  |  Hastaroth 11/07/07
  92.   withdraw from Shaba Farms 08:36  |  Mark Katzman 11/07/07
  93.   #38 Jacob - Israel invaded again, now UN has set new lines 08:50  |  Pablo B 11/07/07
  94.   There Are Many Border Disputes In The World ... 08:51  |  Terry 11/07/07
  95.   There`s a surprise 08:55  |  Clickfool 11/07/07
  96.   RETURN SOLDIERS, DISMANTLE HIZBALLA, LEAVE SHEEBA -In that order 08:56  |  don 11/07/07
  97.   #33 Jake acts like a spoil sport. 09:00  |  Johnboy 11/07/07
  98.   The UN and their accountability 09:01  |  Daniel 11/07/07
  99.   I don`t get it. Why all the games? 09:05  |  sg 11/07/07
  100.   A justifiable target 09:18  |  Clickfool 11/07/07
  101.   #58 Pretty simple, sg... 09:27  |  Johnboy 11/07/07
  102.   The UN is playing into the hands of Syrian Politicing 09:29  |  Daniel 11/07/07
  103.   #58 To the little naive Johnboy 09:34  |  Hastaroth 11/07/07
  104.   #65 the ClickPrick is rejoicing now 09:37  |  Hastaroth 11/07/07
  105.   #57 Fortuna from Colombia 09:39  |  ballistic 11/07/07
  106.   #57 Daniel, it`s SYRIA and LEBANON`S opinion that matters 09:43  |  Johnboy 11/07/07
  107.   MAKE LEMONADE 09:46  |  Mark of Lewiston 11/07/07
  108.   Israel already negotiated away decision making role for Shebaa 09:46  |  Pablo B 11/07/07
  109.   UN condradicts itself 09:50  |  Steven A. 11/07/07
  110.   What is the reason for this UN decision? What is the solution? 09:54  |  Shlomo from Tel-Aviv 11/07/07
  111.   #85 J - this was not a decison of the UN Gen. Ass. 09:54  |  Pablo B 11/07/07
  112.   #90 Another simple question for little John boy 09:55  |  Hastaroth 11/07/07
  113.   For Hastaroth #104 09:58  |  Clickfool 11/07/07
  114.   To Johnboy #106 Politics vs. facts 09:58  |  Daniel 11/07/07
  115.   Pablo, Chapter 7? 10:00  |  Jake 11/07/07
  116.   shaba farms for lebanese peace treaty 10:00  |  Tzvi 11/07/07
  117.   #110 Shlomo - it was already part of negotiations 10:06  |  Pablo B 11/07/07
  118.   #106 Johnboy - I liked your post 10:15  |  Pablo B 11/07/07
  119.   You have been told Israel - go back. 10:17  |  Maureen Ann 11/07/07
  120.   LEBANESE need to keep their part of the agreement or no deal 10:24  |  PETER SM 11/07/07
  121.   #115 Jake - UN is trying to be diplomatic. 10:24  |  Pablo B 11/07/07
  122.   Johnboy, good observation 10:26  |  Jake 11/07/07
  123.   #100 Clickfool - Fair enough 10:26  |  WWACD 11/07/07
  124.   #112 Hastaroth is STILL a sore loser!!! 10:26  |  Johnboy 11/07/07
  125.   #118, Pablo, you are totally wrong on this 10:31  |  Jake 11/07/07
  126.   MAURREN N.The Lebanese have to keep their side of the bargain. 10:33  |  PETER SM 11/07/07
  127.   Clickfool the cartographer 10:36  |  Scoon 11/07/07
  128.   Shebaa Farms always Lebanese ? See Asher Kaufman?s work 10:42  |  MOD 11/07/07
  129.   NEVER DOUBTED ITS LEBANESE 10:48  |  wally 11/07/07
  130.   #118 I believe we have been thru this before Pablo 10:52  |  Johnboy 11/07/07
  131.   ISRAEL MUST STAY PUT... 10:53  |  Infidel Too 11/07/07
  132.   Pablo B, Israel also is trying to be diplomatic 10:54  |  Jake 11/07/07
  133.   Bernard Ross, You are Right 10:58  |  Bernie 11/07/07
  134.   Jacob Blues, I talk Sense 11:00  |  Bernie 11/07/07
  135.   Wally in Melbourne 11:00  |  Scoon 11/07/07
  136.   To Maureen Ann, it isn`t nice to threaten Israel 11:02  |  Jake 11/07/07
  137.   Land won in unprovoked .... 11:05  |  Jaddy 11/07/07
  138.   wally, Hizbullah won`t disband, and you know it 11:07  |  Jake 11/07/07
  139.   TO Dyinglikeflies 11:09  |  Muhyddine Ayoubi 11/07/07
  140.   A typical piece of ME comedy 11:12  |  Axel 11/07/07
  141.   To Bernie & Jacob Blue 11:13  |  Muhyddine 11/07/07
  142.   #136 Jake. You have no case. 11:20  |  Maureen Ann 11/07/07
  143.   JAKE@136 Maureen Ann will organise the invasion force herself 11:21  |  PETERSM 11/07/07
  144.   Never relinquish a terrritory without a peace agreement and mutua 11:23  |  Haymi 11/07/07
  145.   #122 Dare I point out a difference, Jake.... 11:24  |  Johnboy 11/07/07
  146.   #117, Pablo B 11:26  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 11/07/07
  147.   #129 - You really are a wally 11:28  |  WWACD 11/07/07
  148.   #129 Wally - A time to doubt 11:30  |  Kate 11/07/07
  149.   It`s just not worth the aggro 11:31  |  Jack 11/07/07
  150.   #125 Jake, wrong again, I`m afraid. 11:41  |  Johnboy 11/07/07
  151.   #142 Maureen Ann - Here`s why 11:41  |  WWACD 11/07/07
  152.   UN, thank you, great job 11:45  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 11/07/07
  153.   #114 No, it doesn`t Daniel 11:51  |  Johnboy 11/07/07
  154.   Everybody is looking for a job these days ! 11:54  |  Akram Zekaria 11/07/07
  155.   END OF STORY 11:54  |  indrajaya 11/07/07
  156.   #149 Jake - worth the aggro 11:58  |  Kate 11/07/07
  157.   Clickfool 12:02  |  WWACD 11/07/07
  158.   Hand out Shaba farms directly to Hizbullah 12:03  |  Jonathan S 11/07/07
  159.   UN wants Israel to withdraw from all territory, little by little 12:08  |  Bo 11/07/07
  160.   UN Determins that Manhatten Really Belongs to Vatican 12:10  |  Ovadiah ben Avraham 11/07/07
  161.   #155, indrajaya, "End Story" 12:11  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 11/07/07
  162.   wibism = ignorant anti-semite 12:12  |  Steven 11/07/07
  163.   Why am I not surprised Israel is refusing to withdraw? 12:15  |  Colin Wright 11/07/07
  164.   # 85 12:21  |  making a point 11/07/07
  165.   indrajaya 12:24  |  x 11/07/07
  166.   #137 12:28  |  making a point 11/07/07
  167.   7# Mark Lincoln: A sad view .. 12:29  |  Akram Zekaria 11/07/07
  168.   #163 Why you are not surprised 12:30  |  Kate 11/07/07
  169.   #WWACD, said "We will get you eventually." 12:32  |  Maureen Ann 11/07/07
  170.   Maureen Ann flattering herself 12:52  |  WWACD 11/07/07
  171.   To making a point 12:56  |  Scoon 11/07/07
  172.   To Colin Wright: If You Are Not Antisemitic... 13:02  |  Ovadiah ben Avraham 11/07/07
  173.   I like you Wednesday Censor 13:08  |  WWACD 11/07/07
  174.   Very good news, although a bit strange 13:10  |  Tosefta 11/07/07
  175.   #70 Angie 13:14  |  Itsik 11/07/07
  176.   #169 MAUREEN BELIEVES IN POLL RATINGS 13:15  |  paul harris 11/07/07
  177.   CWRIGHT You are not surprised because Arabs breaking agreements 13:20  |  PETER SM 11/07/07
  178.   Peaceful Takeover rumors 13:20  |  raden 11/07/07
  179.   So they were right after 13:20  |  Wael Hendawi 11/07/07
  180.   What was disputed is no longer 13:22  |  Outsider 11/07/07
  181.   #74, poor GILI, so misinformed 13:27  |  VIPER 11/07/07
  182.   #77. peter sm, WHO CARES, IT`S LEBANONS ANYWAY 13:29  |  VIPER 11/07/07
  183.   Iraq when it `invaded` Kuwait. Maureen 13:38  |  Rab Burns 11/07/07
  184.   #120, PETER SM, are you freaking stupid or something? 13:41  |  VIPER 11/07/07
  185.   WWACD. What humanity? 13:48  |  Maureen Ann 11/07/07
  186.   #167 Akram, not a deep thinker, I see 13:53  |  Johnboy 11/07/07
  187.   #163 Colin, muse on this.... 14:09  |  Johnboy 11/07/07
  188.   VIPER I will type slowly so you can follow 14:17  |  PETER SM 11/07/07
  189.   #174 Tosefta, care to look at Res 1701 14:17  |  Johnboy 11/07/07
  190.   indrajaya 14:24  |  just west bank, gaza 11/07/07
  191.   Jacob Blues 14:25  |  Walid 11/07/07
  192.   JOKERS 14:27  |  FOX 11/07/07
  193.   #188 Peter SM - Funniest title ever 14:28  |  WWACD 11/07/07
  194.   The bots are out in force I see 14:29  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 11/07/07
  195.   Much of North Galile is Lebanese owned too 14:30  |  Before independence 11/07/07
  196.   Johnboy & clickfool 14:32  |  Angelique 11/07/07
  197.   SAME "EXPERTS" DECIDED ISRAEL IS TO BLAME FOR REGIONAL TENSIONS 14:42  |  David P 11/07/07
  198.   Moon and Olmert..Private messages? 14:44  |  Natallie Durson 11/07/07
  199.   Tzfonit #81 14:50  |  G A B E 1 11/07/07
  200.   Responsible journalism 14:53  |  Jonathan 11/07/07
  201.   186# Johnboy. The record is bad the view is harmful. 15:01  |  Akram Zekaria 11/07/07
  202.   Tosefta and Logic #174 15:02  |  G A B E 1 11/07/07
  203.   "Strange" news have to be understood first (Johnboy #189) 15:07  |  Tosefta 11/07/07
  204.   Mss(ed) Tossi and her Logic 15:07  |  GS1 11/07/07
  205.   News items 15:13  |  ChanahS 11/07/07
  206.   #196 It ain`t over yet Angelique 15:14  |  Johnboy 11/07/07
  207.   Walid #191 15:20  |  G A B E 1 11/07/07
  208.   #201 Akram, that`s a whole heapo` generalities there 15:20  |  Johnboy 11/07/07
  209.   #203 Tosefta, the denials are interesting 15:26  |  Johnboy 11/07/07
  210.   #202, 204 Gabe1 and thinking 15:26  |  Tosefta 11/07/07
  211.   HAARETZ: You act as irresponsible journalists. Apologize at least 15:27  |  Vittorio 11/07/07
  212.   Although the Security Council made the recommendation to Moon it 15:27  |  lakshmi 11/07/07
  213.   UN to demand US turnover Southwest 15:29  |  Bill 11/07/07
  214.   Place Basque region under UN control 15:34  |  Bill 11/07/07
  215.   It`s Syrian territory - as simple as that 15:35  |  Gerrit 11/07/07
  216.   UN to Israel 15:35  |  Bill 11/07/07
  217.   Natallie Durson: White Cloud Surrounds Her Teeth-Chattering Head 15:37  |  Ovadiah ben Avraham 11/07/07
  218.   If the Un denies it, and Israel denies it, what is left? 15:42  |  Alex 11/07/07
  219.   161. Cipora -- END OF STORY 15:48  |  Bob 11/07/07
  220.   186# Johnboy. a follow up.. 15:49  |  Akram Zekaria 11/07/07
  221.   oops...haaretz delegitimizing 16:01  |  peter 11/07/07
  222.   MaureenAnn 169...troops may leave Iraq BUT 16:02  |  The Equalizer 11/07/07
  223.   Rab Burns. Kuwait is another OIL story. 16:03  |  Maureen Ann 11/07/07
  224.   #210 Lakshmi. My goodness gracious me! About compromise 16:03  |  WWACD 11/07/07
  225.   #218 Ahh, Alex, but WHAT have they denied? 16:03  |  Johnboy 11/07/07
  226.   Durson # 198 16:07  |  ChanahS 11/07/07
  227.   A smaller issue 16:11  |  Paolo 11/07/07
  228.   Tosefta #210 aka Miss(ed)Tossi 16:19  |  GABE1 11/07/07
  229.   #212 Lakshmi ignornace 16:23  |  Shlomo 11/07/07
  230.   the videogamer pontificates 16:28  |  peter 11/07/07
  231.   To Victors Spoils of War: Syria & Lebanon=big loosers 16:30  |  topanaga 11/07/07
  232.   Maureen Ann finaly gets it. #223 16:38  |  WWACD 11/07/07
  233.   Moron Ann # 223 16:39  |  ChanahS 11/07/07
  234.   #208 Johnboy - All Israeli territory is occupied by Israel 16:40  |  Bo 11/07/07
  235.   Johnboy - it is awkward 16:43  |  Mark Lincoln 11/07/07
  236.   Mark of Lewiston - lemonade 16:46  |  Mark Lincoln 11/07/07
  237.   #161 Bob - Other`s territories? 16:48  |  Bo 11/07/07
  238.   #50 Peter - Lot`s of If`s 16:52  |  * BEN JABO 11/07/07
  239.   Haaretz admits mistake 16:53  |  B 11/07/07
  240.   `212" Shlomo citizen of the Middle East 16:54  |  Labhras 11/07/07
  241.   #54 Wibism 16:55  |  * BEN JABO 11/07/07
  242.   #169 Maureen Ann 17:01  |  * BEN JABO 11/07/07
  243.   Place UNIFIL in control of Lebanon 17:06  |  Melvin Schnell 11/07/07
  244.   Johnboy # 209 Get It In Writing 17:06  |  Jeff Northridge 11/07/07
  245.   Let Lebanon dismantle Hezbollah before any possible deal 17:08  |  Jason 11/07/07
  246.   #223 Maureen Ann 17:15  |  * BEN JABO 11/07/07
  247.   #222 Equalizer. Perhaps you can provide some data. 17:16  |  Maureen Ann 11/07/07
  248.   Haaretz screws up one more time 17:16  |  Jake 11/07/07
  249.   #189 - UNSCR 1701 17:20  |  JES 11/07/07
  250.   #224 WWACD. Can`t you see the shadow... 17:21  |  Maureen Ann 11/07/07
  251.   #212 lakshmi 17:23  |  * BEN JABO 11/07/07
  252.   Johnboy, looks like you were wrong all along 17:36  |  Jake 11/07/07
  253.   Richard #9 - UN change of heart 17:52  |  William 11/07/07
  254.   For WWACD # 123 17:52  |  Clickfool 11/07/07
  255.   Farming for Peace 17:54  |  Joel Weltman 11/07/07
  256.   HAARETZ EDITORS: Ay-Ay-Ay! and Oy-Va-Avoy! Where is apology? 17:55  |  Vittorio 11/07/07
  257.   Syria will never give up claim to Shaba farms 18:01  |  Maurice Piquet 11/07/07
  258.   Strengthening positions 18:05  |  KUTW 11/07/07
  259.   12. David King: getting weaker 18:08  |  KUTW 11/07/07
  260.   Johnboy # 225 It`s Not So Straight Forward 18:11  |  Jeff Northridge 11/07/07
  261.   #235 LABRAT IT SHOULD BE EASY FOR AN IRISH PERSON TO UNDERSTAND 18:11  |  paul harris 11/07/07
  262.   14. cc: Israel needs a state of war to exist 18:12  |  KUTW 11/07/07
  263.   #26 Say Jacob Blue 18:18  |  ballistic 11/07/07
  264.   CF # 252 18:23  |  ChanahS 11/07/07
  265.   #29 Raymond 18:23  |  ballistic 11/07/07
  266.   30 Ken: Land for Peace 18:23  |  KUTW 11/07/07
  267.   "228`Gabe 1 18:25  |  Labhras 11/07/07
  268.   247. JES: UNSCR 1701 18:28  |  KUTW 11/07/07
  269.   208# Johnboy. Try facts on the ground.. 18:28  |  Akram Zekaria 11/07/07
  270.   #116 Tzvi 18:29  |  ballistic 11/07/07
  271.   Just Great 18:31  |  * BEN JABO 11/07/07
  272.   A clear case 18:31  |  Frank 11/07/07
  273.   "249" Clickfool 18:41  |  Labhras 11/07/07
  274.   atoo bit punk 18:42  |  utagawa 11/07/07
  275.   YES! LAND FOR PEACE. ISRAEL MUST TAKE LAND.. 18:44  |  Tom 11/07/07
  276.   atoo bit punk part two 18:45  |  utagawa 11/07/07
  277.   KNICKER ELASTIC RETURNS SHE MAKES NO MORE SENSE THAN BEFORE 18:45  |  paul harris 11/07/07
  278.   224 WWCAD&229Shlomo,224 talk about the bomb is not a smart thing 18:50  |  lakshmi 11/07/07
  279.   #273 - Labhras 18:57  |  JES 11/07/07
  280.   `261" Paul Harris 19:03  |  Labhras 11/07/07
  281.   MaureenAnn 247...tens of thousand of troops will remain in Iraq 19:05  |  The Equalizer 11/07/07
  282.   198 Gnatty Duhson - what a surprise 19:05  |  Gil 11/07/07
  283.   Shebaa farms 19:09  |  Joe 11/07/07
  284.   208# Johnboy. When bordering on the anti-Israeli attitude. 19:16  |  Akram Zekaria 11/07/07
  285.   #263 Ballistic 19:16  |  WWACD 11/07/07
  286.   Paul Harris 277 Ballistic uses an archaic and VULGAR word 19:20  |  The Equalizer 11/07/07
  287.   # 195 one little error in your theory! 19:32  |  Gil 11/07/07
  288.   Maurice Piquet # 257 You Could Be Right 19:33  |  Jeff Northridge 11/07/07
  289.   "277` Ballistic re Harris 19:40  |  Labhras 11/07/07
  290.   `274" utagawa 19:44  |  Labhras 11/07/07
  291.   UN denies requesting control over Shaba Farms 19:45  |  alex 11/07/07
  292.   Double racist slurs from Paul Harris # 261 19:50  |  Clickfool 11/07/07
  293.   Muddy Huddy 19:54  |  Angelique 11/07/07
  294.   263Greetings Ballistic,you forgot to mention that our heroes 19:56  |  lakshmi 11/07/07
  295.   More insults from Paul Harris, this time sexist # 277 19:56  |  Clickfool 11/07/07
  296.   #270 Ballistic - Boooooring 19:58  |  WWACD 11/07/07
  297.   For Chanah S # 264 20:00  |  Clickfool 11/07/07
  298.   251Ben Jabo the Partition was an injustice and 13 nations voted 20:02  |  lakshmi 11/07/07
  299.   Haaretz shouldn`t apologise for its scoop 20:02  |  Clickfool 11/07/07
  300.   It didn`t take a genius 20:04  |  Mark Lincoln 11/07/07
  301.   What planet Maurice Piquet? 20:06  |  Mark Lincoln 11/07/07
  302.   Labhras #240 what is your point ? Israel has great COMIDIANS 20:11  |  Gil 11/07/07
  303.   Damascus 20:12  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 11/07/07
  304.   Moron Ann #250 20:20  |  GABE1 11/07/07
  305.   To Gerrit 20:20  |  christa 11/07/07
  306.   UN 20:21  |  sleven 11/07/07
  307.   Bob learn to tell the truth 20:23  |  Jasmine Murphy 11/07/07
  308.   To Maurice Piquet 20:24  |  christa 11/07/07
  309.   Joe # 278 Shebaa Farms + Other Stuff 20:41  |  Jeff Northridge 11/07/07
  310.   As usual, Israeli gov`t treats Israelis like fools they are 20:45  |  Tim 11/07/07
  311.   have Assad himself sign official documents stating 20:56  |  Joseph E . 11/07/07
  312.   #212, "Hezbollah is not going to compromise" 21:00  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 11/07/07
  313.   Clickfool, but you are always wrong, always have been 21:03  |  Jake 11/07/07
  314.   "264" channa s 21:06  |  Labhras 11/07/07
  315.   Joe, you got it all wrong 21:16  |  Jake 11/07/07
  316.   "261" Paul Harris 21:16  |  Labhras 11/07/07
  317.   "The United Nations denied Haaretz report" 21:18  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 11/07/07
  318.   #273 Labhras 21:22  |  Working Dead 11/07/07
  319.   Mark Lincoln # 298 Why Should Syria Wait? 21:24  |  Jeff Northridge 11/07/07
  320.   `303" Jasmine Murphy 21:29  |  Labhras 11/07/07
  321.   Jordan, Syria, and Iraq were aggressors in 1967 21:33  |  Jake 11/07/07
  322.   #295 lakshmi the revisionist 21:36  |  peter 11/07/07
  323.   #294 21:43  |  Joel Weltman 11/07/07
  324.   Raden, thank you for your admission 21:51  |  Jake 11/07/07
  325.   Astonishing cynicism and childishness 21:54  |  The Northern Wind 11/07/07
  326.   #291 Lakshmi; the Lebanon War, live and in color 21:56  |  ballistic 11/07/07
  327.   Maureen Ann #119 - Porker 22:01  |  WWACD 11/07/07
  328.   SHABA FARMS, Is it worth Fighting for?? 22:06  |  Gordon 11/07/07
  329.   #308 Labhras 22:08  |  Statistics 11/07/07
  330.   Iakshmi # 295 So What? 22:09  |  Jeff Northridge 11/07/07
  331.   # 291 - They do know, Bombay Bessie 22:13  |  WWACD 11/07/07
  332.   #309 tim is going to tell us where politicians 22:17  |  victor hardman 11/07/07
  333.   #322 ballistic enthralls with her belief in edited action reels 22:26  |  victor hardman 11/07/07
  334.   Jeff Northridge - caution 22:29  |  Mark Lincoln 11/07/07
  335.   Land capture from nation of attacker 22:29  |  Kyle 11/07/07
  336.   #316 CPK "it should be remembered" that Shaba Farms 22:37  |  ballistic 11/07/07
  337.   316 Jake spent night before attack on syria with Dayan 22:40  |  Labhras 11/07/07
  338.   330 Howdy jeff N. your problem is that you live in the old 22:42  |  lakshmi 11/07/07
  339.   I`m relieved. 22:44  |  sg 11/07/07
  340.   GET SYRIA TO SIGN ITS CLAIM AWAY FIRST 22:48  |  Avi 11/07/07
  341.   Victor Hardyman - A real caution!!! 22:48  |  WWACD 11/07/07
  342.   Labhras changes channels on a whim #314 22:49  |  peter 11/07/07
  343.   Mark Lincoln -- Is that true? 22:51  |  bbl 11/07/07
  344.   #319, 330, Jeff Northridge 22:53  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 11/07/07
  345.   Bo 22:53  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 11/07/07
  346.   #328 Gordon - Peace is worth fighting for 22:53  |  Kate 11/07/07
  347.   It is Israel`s land 22:59  |  Brod 11/07/07
  348.   What Haaretz forgot to mention , that they are Arabic paper 23:01  |  Sal 11/07/07
  349.   hizballah and arabs will always dream up reason to shake swords 23:04  |  Richard S 11/07/07
  350.   @295 Say WWACD 23:05  |  ballistic 11/07/07
  351.   #327: that was the icing on the proverbial cake 23:06  |  Richard S 11/07/07
  352.   #333 Say Victor; does Ireland have any troops in the ME? 23:08  |  ballistic 11/07/07
  353.   #331 Say WWACD; by the time I got finish 23:11  |  ballistic 11/07/07
  354.   Sheeba Farms are Lebanese # 47 wants to nuke the M E. 23:14  |  George 11/07/07
  355.   ballistic # 326 Ions? That`s Cute! 23:16  |  Jeff Northridge 11/07/07
  356.   #336 SG; Israel is not even in the mix, why be relieved? 23:17  |  ballistic 11/07/07
  357.   UN chief: Debate on Shaba ownership is premature 23:19  |  WWACD 11/07/07
  358.   Syria`s considerations (Mark Lincoln #334) 23:23  |  Tosefta 11/07/07
  359.   Ballistic - Boooooooring come up with some new material 23:28  |  WWACD 11/07/07
  360.   # 320 Labhras 23:31  |  Gil 11/07/07
  361.   If we could handle Koffie Annan we`ll handle Moon 23:36  |  WWACD 11/07/07
  362.   "342" peter 23:39  |  Labhras 11/07/07
  363.   Labhras, you mean Israeli DMZ, not Syrian territory 23:39  |  Jake 11/07/07
  364.   Syrian Pipe Dreams 23:42  |  Joel Weltman 11/07/07
  365.   UN cartologist is probably a kofi annan relative 23:46  |  Chick 11/07/07
  366.   CJ Kohn spreading the gospel 23:48  |  WWACD 11/07/07
  367.   Chic-It`s the land grab stupid 23:54  |  tareq 11/07/07
  368.   #355 Jeff - not a typo.Grandma`s illiterate 23:57  |  WWACD 11/07/07
  369.   #358, Tosefta 23:58  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 11/07/07
  370.   #366, WWACD 00:11  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 12/07/07
  371.   #359 Say WWACD; I don`t read boring stuff! 00:12  |  ballistic 12/07/07
  372.   Dayan`s autobiography and why he changed his mind 00:12  |  Jake 12/07/07
  373.   # 350 Ballistic - HA-RAZACHTA-VE-GUM-YARASHTA 00:13  |  Gil 12/07/07
  374.   #355 Jeff, mea culpa!!! I am guilty. 00:14  |  ballistic 12/07/07
  375.   BTW WWACD 00:17  |  ballistic 12/07/07
  376.   Bird from Outerspace #369 00:18  |  Tosefta 12/07/07
  377.   Iakshmi # 338 Wishful Thinking 00:21  |  Jeff Northridge 12/07/07
  378.   8. Knotwitall, Israel must leave Shaba Farms 00:25  |  Michael 12/07/07
  379.   236 Mark Lincon - very snide remark you know 00:28  |  ChanahS 12/07/07
  380.   More on Moshe Dayan`s change of heart 00:28  |  Jake 12/07/07
  381.   Labrass # 240 00:31  |  ChanahS 12/07/07
  382.   #289 Labhras 00:34  |  ballistic 12/07/07
  383.   The Lebanese dilemma 00:34  |  Joel Weltman 12/07/07
  384.   Labrass # 267 00:35  |  ChanahS 12/07/07
  385.   #297 - Clickfool 00:36  |  WWACD 12/07/07
  386.   Bird from Outerspace #369 00:41  |  Tosefta 12/07/07
  387.   U.N.and ballistic 00:41  |  JR from Dallas 12/07/07
  388.   `329" Statistics 00:42  |  Labhras 12/07/07
  389.   239 B-of NY 00:43  |  wh 12/07/07
  390.   Labras # 290 There you go again 00:46  |  ChanahS 12/07/07
  391.   Bob 00:48  |  Connie 12/07/07
  392.   Umbrella? - I don`t get it 00:51  |  WWACD 12/07/07
  393.   Ckickfool # 297 00:52  |  ChanahS 12/07/07
  394.   Israel = Czechoslovakia 00:52  |  Bill 12/07/07
  395.   352 ballistic 00:53  |  wh 12/07/07
  396.   Re: More Borderline For Hezbollah Attacks? 00:56  |  Georges 12/07/07
  397.   Dayan and Syria (Labhras #337; re Jake) 00:57  |  Tosefta 12/07/07
  398.   Labrass 314 00:57  |  ChanahS 12/07/07
  399.   Labrass # 320 01:03  |  ChanahS 12/07/07
  400.   Jake # 321 - www.sixdaywar.co.uk 01:06  |  ChanahS 12/07/07
  401.   Jake # 321 - www.sixdaywar.co.uk 01:06  |  ChanahS 12/07/07
  402.   # 350 Ballistic 01:10  |  Gil 12/07/07
  403.   "380 chana s 01:11  |  Labhras 12/07/07
  404.   316 Labrass 01:11  |  ChanahS 12/07/07
  405.   WWACD, post script 01:12  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn